Thursday, October 10, 2013

Obama and Boehner Seem Close to an Agreement, but Reid and the Democrats Balk

Urgent efforts to prevent a dangerous US national default seemed poised to succeed today, but Demicrat Senate Leader Harry Reid has tossed cold water on what was to be a deal agreed by President Obama and House Speaker Boehner. House Republicans softened their long-standing demands and the White House appeared agreeable to a compromise. But Senate Democrats appear to have told Senate Leader Reid to declare the proposed deal unacceptable. Reid, standing outside the White House after he and fellow Democrats met with President Barack Obama, called the plan a "non-starter." The Republican have proposed plan to leave the 10-day partial government shutdown in place while raising the nation's $16.7 trillion debt limit and triggering negotiations between the GOP and Obama over spending cuts and other issues. Heartened by a hint of progress, Wall Street, after days of decline, saw the Dow Jones industrial average soar 323 points on hopes that the divided government was taking steps to avoid a default. Reid's dismissive comments at the White House came at the end of the trading day. However, Republicans, wanting to avoid a bond default and roiling world financial markets, said they might look to Reid to add what would make the proposal acceptable to the Senate Democrat majority. Mentioned were an agreement to pay Social Security and veterans benefits as well as salaries to active duty military troops during the second half of this month. Boehner said failure to raise the debt limit by October 17 "could put timely payment of all of these at risk....I would hope the president would look at this as an opportunity and a good faith effort on our part to move halfway, halfway to what he's demanded, in order to have these conversations begin." Boehner spoke earlier in the day, after informing his rank and file that he would introduce a House motion to raise the debt ceiling until 22 November. Tea party Republicans said it could be a way to ease the debt ceiling problem while maintaining the government shutdown so they could resume their own campaign to deny operating funds for the national health care overhaul known as "Obamacare." At the White House, spokesman Jay Carney told reporters the President would "likely sign" a short-term extension in the debt ceiling, and did not rule out his doing so even if it left the shutdown intact. Moderate Republicans were not very pleased, saying the shutdown should end, but there was little if any unhappiness among House conservatives. In addition, GOP Senator Ted Cruz, the conservative Texan who has played a prominent role in this fall's budget struggles, raised no objections. Cruz said that he understands the plan is being driven by House conservatives who are quite reasonably saying, "Listen, let's focus on Obamacare, on winning the fight on Obamacare...and let's push the debt ceiling a little further down the road so that it doesn't distract us from the fight we are in the middle of right now." For his part, Reid has proposed no-strings-attached legislation to raise the debt limit by $1.1 trillion, enough to prevent a recurrence of the current standoff until after the 2014 elections, something that would give Democrat candidates an edge in campaign rhetoric. Senator Mitch McConnell, the GOP Senate Minority Leader, said that Reid's Democratic measure "just won't fly....The American people can be persuaded to raise the debt ceiling, but they're not in any mood to simply hand over a blank check." The call for negotiations on long-term deficit cuts would mark a return to basics for the House Republican majority, which since the 2010 election has initiated a series of demands to cut spending, culminating in a 2011 agreement with Obama that automatically cut more than $2 trillion over a decade. Because no actual agreement was possible, the cuts, called "across-the-board sequesters", were implemented, cutting every executive branch department equally. This has made Republicans uneasy because of the impact on the Pentagon, and Democrats are unsatisfied because of reductions in domestic programs. But the GOP House that controls spending has insisted that the budget come under control closer to balancing inputs ans layouts, and also demands that the national debt be reduced. It was $10.6 trillion when Obama took office and has grown to $16.7 trillion in the years since. ~~~~~ So, dear readers, we now see President Obama having his own Democrat Senate majority balk at his effort to strike a deal to get a temporary debt ceiling. President Obama has often accused Speaker Boehner of being held hostage by the House GOP tea party. It seems that it is now Obama who is being held hostage by the left wing of the Senate Democrat majority. What goes around usually comes around in Washington politics. As I post this, there is no news on what Obama and Boehner have been able to agree on. But Boehner and his House GOP leadership are now meeting and plan to continue through the night. One of them told CNN's Dana Bash that the meeting with the President went well. And, surely Harry Reid is not the white-knuckle kind of Majority Leader who will want to be blamed for a US government default. He will find a way to agree to whatever the President and the Speaker can cobble together.

9 comments:

  1. As my son said to me just hours ago ..." Do you think Obama is above throwing Reid and the extreme liberal wing of the democratic party under the bus to come out on top of this?

    My answer to him was certainly not.Obama is loyal to Obama and will take any opportunity to be right. Right with his own party or Right with the Right Wing of the Republican party.

    Wrong is not a word that exist in Obama's vocabulary.

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  2. I so distrust anything that this president says, and I distrust any thing that Harry Reid says or does. I will take a wait and see if Obama is serious about talking with Boehner and working out a bill that will give both sides 6 weeks to reach accord on the Debt Ceiling. As for Harry Reid he is pretty much said he is solidly commented against the House's bill.

    Obama or Reid do not have the ability to negotiate in good faith with anyone that is seeking some degree of compromise. After all isn't negotiating nothing more than compromising? And what has either one compromised on in the last 5 years with the Republicans?

    Unless John Boehner totally caves in at the end ... I would not bet that we are close to an agreement between House Republicans and Senate Democrats. I'm not saying it can't happen or that I don't want it to happen, I'm just stating the obvious between the parties & their leaders involved here.

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  3. Has Harry Reid become one of those old political curmudgeons or is he simply a pain in the backside???

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  4. What about a default by the government on its payment obligations?

    Most agree that an actual default would be enormously damaging to the markets and to the nation’s financial stability. But what is the likelihood of default?

    It seems most agree that a failure to lift the debt ceiling would not result in the United States defaulting on its obligations.

    We would still have enough revenue to pay all our interest on the debt and some three-fourths of our other (non-debt) government obligations. Just to be doubly sure of this, the House passed the Full Faith and Credit Act, which would allow the Treasury to pay all public debt obligations and Social Security benefit payments after the debt ceiling is reached. So far, the Democratic-controlled Senate has not passed this bill.

    It’s not just The Heritage Foundation that is issuing this opinion. Moody’s Investors Service opines, “We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact.”

    In the meantime, unlike all of his predecessors, President Obama has refused even to negotiate with Republicans. An imperious call to House Speaker John Boehner to tell him he won’t negotiate is not negotiation. Republicans, not Democrats, have passed all kinds of clean bills and sent them to an uncompromising, unyielding president.

    So, let’s review. The polls are not only slanted and limited to a fixed snapshot in time but also being followed by real events that will, in all likelihood, change people’s perceptions against Democrats. The people are watching as Obama’s promises of disaster are not materializing, and he is showing himself to be arbitrary, capricious, mean-spirited and petty in his selective closings and openings of government services and highhanded in refusing to negotiate

    Friends negotiating is a process that takes two parties, with each interested and determined to reach a mutual satisfying solution.

    Is Obama demonstrating this action at all ?

    As Pres. Truman said ... "The Buck Stops Here." And here is the Oval Office.

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  5. Qui ose gagne (Who Dares Wins)October 11, 2013 at 9:08 AM

    President Obama has said that, unless Congress acts to raise the $16.7 trillion limit by next Thursday, the nation will be at risk of default.

    Not so, Moody’s says in the memo dated Oct. 7.

    ” We believe the government would continue to pay interest and principal on its debt even in the event that the debt limit is not raised, leaving its creditworthiness intact,” the memo says. “The debt limit restricts government expenditures to the amount of its incoming revenues; it does not prohibit the government from servicing its debt. There is no direct connection between the debt limit (actually the exhaustion of the Treasury’s extraordinary measures to raise funds) and a default."

    Someone is tilting the picture of this impending "default" far away from the truth. Either Obama and his advisers are right or an organization like Moody's that deal in credit and creditworthiness with many national governments and government sub-divisions is right.

    Who do yoy=u think is being steight up with the public?

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  6. The current budget battle is just one small conversation within a much larger context.

    The federal debt is out of control; the argument over the government shutdown surely avoids the larger issues.

    Republicans have made a step toward resolving the impasse and probably today will bring a further climb down. It may be greeted as a "victory" for President Barack Obama, but will not be that at all. For Obama to gather credit for any solution to the small & bigger problems in our financial house would require his leadership to be involved… and that has not been the case and will not be in the future.

    The problems are great … the solution simple –SPEND LESS & TAKE IN MORE THROUGH REVISED TAX PROGRAMS AND HIGHER EMPLOYMENT.

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  7. I picked up a 1978 Readers Digest at a Flea Market sale and a one page article is titled "how much is one trillion dollars". It talks about the current 1978 public debt approaching the 1 trillion dollar mark. It took this great republic 200 years to get to 1 trillion dollars of debt and less than 40 years to make it into 17 trillion with these "elected officals" raising the debt ceiling the same amount it took 200 years to amass.

    To be honest with you all, no matter what side of the aisle you are on what they are doing to us is morally wrong and in my opinion insanity. Its beyond generational debt now.

    God bless the United States of America.

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    1. When i was in grad school I had an Investor econ professor talk about "BILLIONS" of dollars like that was almost unreachable.

      That was in the late 70's.

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  8. This debt Deal has 4 potential outcomes

    1. Obama agrees
    2. Boehner caves in to Obama & Reid
    3. Reid caves in and agrees
    4. They all agree to N E O G I A T E in good faith

    Anything short of these 4 and we find out how important the debt ceiling really is and if Obama will authorize payment ot the debt interest of $25 Billion ????

    I don't think the wait will be long

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