Wednesday, August 14, 2013

Egypt and Tunisia Prove that the Arab Spring Is about Self-government

Early Wednesday, Egyptian security forces began to clear two sit-ins by supporters of the country's ousted president Mohamed Morsi, who is the titular head of the Moslem Brotherhood. The security forces of the military-backed government moved into a square near Cairo University at dawn and cleared it. The much larger protest camp located at the Rabaa Al-Adawiya Square near a large mosque in an area of Cairo that is the stronghold of the Brotherhood is still being cleared as I report at 3:30 pm European time. Access routes around the Rabaa camp have been blocked but CNN reported that 15,000 pro-Morsi Brotherhood supporters have entered the camp to re-inforce their numbers. The military have reported that ammunition and weapons caches were found in the Rabaa camp. Officials have also halted all trains into Cairo, presumably in an effort to keep Brotherhood supporters out of the city. But, south of Cairo there have been reports of Brotherhood attacks on police stations and Christian churches, with one church being burned. Morsi's supporters continue to say that they will not leave the camp until the president, ousted in a popularly supported coup July 3, is reinstated. The international community tried without success to negotiate a truce between the Brotherhood and the interim government, which says the Brotherhood protests have frightened residents of Cairo and disrupted normal life and business in the Egyptian capital. Both sides blame the other for using firearms today and the government reports 15 deaths while the Brotherhood says 200 are dead. CNN says both estimates should "be taken with a grain of salt." A Brotherhood spokesman in London today said the Brotherhood protest is completely peaceful and called the military-led interim government a "junta." Interim government supporters have told CNN that the Brotherhood has captured, beaten and killed people in the camp neighborhood who refuse to support them. Reports of the Brotherhood using children in the camp as shields is denied by leaders of the camp, who say they cannot prevent families from joining the protest camp, which independent sources describe as a small town occupying several city blocks. A CNN local citizen-reporter said today that it is time to take Cairo back from the Brotherhood which took power and then used it to try to force Egyptians into a radical-islamist society. ~~~~~ Dear readers, we could be watching the beginning of a long, bloody civil war in Egypt. It would turn Egypt into another Syria. The consequences would be disastrous for the Middle East, calling out the region's sectarian partisans on both sides of the radical islamist-democratic factions. It would also almost certainly threaten the existence of Israel, calling in the United States. I believe that it is the last chance for the international community to prevent such an endgame. It is not easy to choose sides between two questionable forces, but we already know two things about the Brotherhood : (1). They are incapable of governing Egypt economically. (2). The Brotherhood cynically used democratic processes to gain control of the Egyptian government and then use the power gained to turn Egypt into a radical-islamist society against the will of the majority of Egyptians, who demonstrated massively, calling on the military to oust Morsi. What we know about the military is that even today they are supported by the vast majority of Egyptians and they were willing to try to compromise, something the Brotherhood refused to do. America, Europe and the UN should do all they can to support the military...stop suggesting that the Brotherhood was "democratically" elected...refuse to become naive proponents of extremist radical-islamists. Refuse to blame the Egyptian military for today's events. Denounce the cynical protests of the Brotherhood. Help Egyptians find their way toward a democratic society.~~~~~ If the Arab Spring has taught us anything, it is that once younger Moslems get a taste of self-government, they are not easily herded back into radical-islamist straightjackets. Tunisia and Egypt are the proof. I hope the world can understand this by looking at the mechanics of initial manipulated elections in Tunisia and Egypt instead of simplistically focusing on the fact of voting as the total reality. Once this truth sinks in, it will be much easier to help those groups and governments in the Arab and Moslem worlds who deserve our help.

9 comments:

  1. 56 or more dead. The price will be a lot greater in lives and dollars.And as in Syria we stand and wait for something, but who is sure what.

    The old saying ..."He also serves who sits and waits" is not appropriate to what the US is doing or not doing in the Middle East.

    We should remember France coming to our rescue (late but they did come as promised)during our War for Independence.

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  2. How in today's world of instant news and instant information about anything one may be interested in knowing ... How can we call being misled by the Brotherhood in Egypt , Tunisia, possibly Syria, in fact anyplace in the radical muslin world of the Muslim Brotherhood anything but out own ignorance or gullible desire to want something that is not within our reach.

    We all know and understand that the Brotherhood is the number one controlling factor in the extremist Muslim, Shiria world -that stretches far beyond the Middle East. The ?Brotherhood is well organized ( unlike most other factions), very well financed
    , and to a large degree well like or feared by the Islamic "religious" world.

    My point is we don't understand, know, or believe in the impact that the Brotherhood has in Islamic Fundamentalists worships. They are feared, respected, and very dangerous. Until we draw a line in the sand for the Brotherhood and all other radical fundamentalists groups of the same bent, we shall be constantly on the defense and/or losing side in our war against them and for the freedom of the somewhat smaller percentage of Islamic citizens.

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  3. Have you been talking to Rumsfeld...kidding!

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  4. We are certainly witnessing the start of a full blown civil war in Egypt. One that will most likely match the one going on in Syria - remember Syria? We don't hear a lot about that one these days.

    What is that old saying - "Prepare for the worse, Hope for the best". Folks the wheels are coming off the cart in the Middle East and Arabian Peninsula.

    The worse will be multiple intertwined civil wars all going on at the same time. And from my perspective that is what the future holds.

    The best could be that we have friends we never knew about as late as today. We need to be careful if this occurs who we trust and who we don't.

    We need to make sure that our decision making is not about OIL only. If we get the bargaining chip lets all hope Obama isn't the one that gets to play it.

    We can not cave like an old coal mine that has failed to many inspections. We need to stand steady and tall with our proven friend - Israel first, for they will need us.

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  5. Absolutely, the Arab Spring is about Self Government. And it's about freedom, and human rights, freedom of religion, Women's rights, rights of children to be children, right of little girls not to undergo female circumcision procedures in the bathroom ... it's about what we have in the free world. It's about what we almost take for granted everyday.

    how many of us would risk life and limb for a little taste of Individual Rights like we have now. many people have and many people will so in the future.

    Or as Casey Pops favorite quote goes ... "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

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  6. I think that it's always appropriate for Americans and for American foreign policy to make clear why we feel that self-government is most compatible with peace, the well-being of people, and human dignity. We must be exact with what and why our goals are for all nations to have the opportunity and free choice of self government.

    It's our duty to help present that choice to every citizen in every nation. We can not and should not go off the "farm' and start nation building. But we also should not neglect our duty to God to help the "oppressed citizens of the world".

    If we do turn away from those who want self government and personal freedom then we have learned nothing from all the wars this world has seen and we have been part of. For in every war there is a power that wishes to further oppress the already oppressed.

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  7. “Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? Or have we found angels in the form of kings to govern him? Let history answer this question.”
    ― Thomas Jefferson

    As the Father of American Conservatism, Thomas Jefferson was right ... "Let history answer this question"

    Well history up until today would say yes man can govern himself if left alone from hostile intruders. And when he can't isn't it the duty of other successful self government nations to step up and help them out?

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  8. The Self Government people in Egypt has taken the first step in a long journey to self government. they must now be prepared to go the distance. As Churchill once said

    ..."Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts."

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    1. Just a little while ago President is quoted as saying ."the violence in Egypt MUST stop".

      But again they are only words with NO DEEDS. He offered nothing in support of either side. He is betwix and between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea here.

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